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The experience of "Sensation method"
January 12, 2012
1:58 pm
drofart
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Dear mario,

               your words are really blood boiling & i can prove your every word wrong & prejudiced & more closed than any one else.  Still keeping everything apart i just wanna know what is the scope & limitation of "SM" in INFANTS , CHILDREN , PREDOMINANT PHYSICAL DERANGEMENT & in IMBECILITY or INSANITY .

Satyam Shivam Sundaram ........

January 12, 2012
2:08 pm
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drofart said

Dear mario,

               your words are really blood boiling & i can prove your every word wrong & prejudiced & more closed than any one else.  Still keeping everything apart i just wanna know what is the scope & limitation of "SM" in INFANTS , CHILDREN , PREDOMINANT PHYSICAL DERANGEMENT & in IMBECILITY or INSANITY .

 

In his book "Spirit Of Homeopathy: Sankaran writes that he prescribes to infants on basis of what mother felt during pregnancy or what parents felt during conception.

If one wants to know about Sankaran's method he/she should read at least 4 books :

1) Spirit of Homeopathy

2) Substance of Homeopathy

3) The Sensation in Homeopathy

4) Sensation Refined.


January 12, 2012
2:57 pm
drofart
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Alex said

 
In his book "Spirit Of Homeopathy: Sankaran writes that he prescribes to infants on basis of what mother felt during pregnancy or what parents felt during conception.


means if an infant attacked by diptheria then we should take the sensation of  mother during pregnancy & what parents feel during intercourse(more accurate becoz in all cases during conception[the act of conceiving in the womb/the initiation of an embryonic animal life] either both are in sound sleep or on some work )

 

After knowing all this, never your mind try to penetrate the concept & put some common sense & refer to other master's whole idea if it matches 1% or not ?

Satyam Shivam Sundaram ........

January 12, 2012
3:08 pm
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drofart said

means if an infant attacked by diptheria then we should take the sensation of  mother during pregnancy & what parents feel during intercourse(more accurate becoz in all cases during conception[the act of conceiving in the womb/the initiation of an embryonic animal life] either both are in sound sleep or on some work )

 

After knowing all this, never your mind try to penetrate the concept & put some common sense & refer to other master's whole idea if it matches 1% or not ?

You exaggerate to absurdity  , he describes case in which he treats chronic case of small child by taking simptoms of mother.

First at all homeopaths deal with chronic cases ( outside of Indian subcontinent).

I suggest you to read at least these  beforementioned 4 books in order to understand SM. 

 

Didi you ever hear about http://www.aamindell.net/blog/books ?

As soon ,as I understood thiis psychlogist is able to get sensations of unconscious persons.

January 12, 2012
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Dear mario and Allex

I think this is west of our time, If anybody didn't know the ABCD of 'sensation method' then how can they judge the entire sytem by their poor mind!, so please leave up to them....

 

If anybody want to know more about 'How to deal with child and infant cases' Please refer Dr. Dinesh Chauhan's latest book "Wonder of little wonder" 

The book is very exciting and appreciated world wide...

Second thing for Insanity or schizophrenia you may contact Dr. Mahesh Ganghi who is MD in psychiatry(Allopathic) and practicing homeopathy since last 20 years. He treat the worst psychiatric cases by the help of sensation method...

Have a nice day!

January 12, 2012
6:51 pm
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I don't know what i am going to give below is a right deed or not . But I am sure it will do it's part for homoeopathy as it has done in past . & I don't want to make this discussion more deep (atleast involving myself). this is the last time i am writing on this thread for betterment of homoeopathy only.

§ 2

The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent, in the shortest, most reliable, and most harmless way, on easily comprehensible principles.

is it justified by SM ?

§ 3

If the physician clearly perceives what is to be cured in diseases, that is to say, in every individual case of disease (knowledge of disease, indication), if he clearly perceives what is curative in medicines, that is to say, in each individual medicine (knowledge of medical powers), and if he knows how to adapt, according to clearly defined principles, what is curative in medicines to what he has discovered to be undoubtedly morbid in the patient, so that the recovery must ensue – to adapt it, as well in respect to the suitability of the medicine most appropriate according to its mode of action to the case before him (choice of the remedy, the medicine indicated), as also in respect to the exact mode of preparation and quantity of it required (proper dose), and the proper period for repeating the dose; – if, finally, he knows the obstacles to recovery in each case and is aware how to remove them, so that the restoration may be permanent, then he understands how to treat judiciously and rationally, and he is a true practitioner of the healing art .

Is it justified by SM ?

§ 4

He is likewise a preserver of health if he knows the things that derange health and cause disease, and how to remove them from persons in health.

Justified ?

§ 5

Useful to the physician in assisting him to cure are the particulars of the most probable exciting cause of the acute disease, as also the most significant points in the whole history of the chronic disease, to enable him to discover its fundamental cause, which is generally due to a chronic miasm. In these investigations, the ascertainable physical constitution of the patient (especially when the disease is chronic), his moral and intellectual character, his occupation, mode of living and habits, his social and domestic relations, his age, sexual function, etc., are to be taken into consideration.

Can SM justify this poor author's lifetime painful hard work ?

§ 6 Fifth Edition

The unprejudiced observer – well aware of the futility of transcendental speculations which can receive no confirmation from experience – be his powers of penetration ever so great, takes note of nothing in every individual disease, except the changes in the health of the body and of the mind (morbid phenomena, accidents, symptoms) which can be perceived externally by means of the senses; that is to say, he notices only the deviations from the former healthy state of the now diseased individual, which are felt by the patient himself, remarked by those around him and observed by the physician. All these perceptible signs represent the disease in its whole extent, that is, together they form the true and only conceivable portrait of the disease.1

1 I know not, therefore, how it was possible for physicians at the sick-bed to allow themselves to suppose that, without most carefully attending to the symptoms and being guided by them in the treatment, they ought to seek and could discover, only in the hidden and unknown interior, what there was to be cured in the disease, arrogantly and ludicrously pretending that they could, without paying much attention to the symptoms, discover the alteration that had occurred in the invisible interior, and set it to rights with (unknown!) medicines, and that such a procedure as this could alone be called radical and rational treatment.

Is not, then, that which is cognizable by the senses in diseases through the phenomena it displays, the disease itself in the eyes of the physician, since he never can see the spiritual being that produces the disease, the vital force? nor is it necessary that he should see it, but only that he should ascertain its morbid actions, in order that he may thereby be enabled to cure the disease. What else will the old school search for in the hidden interior of the organism, as a prima causa morbi, whilst they reject as an object of cure and contemptuously despise the sensible and manifest representation of the disease, the symptoms, that so plainly address themselves to us? What else do they wish to cure in disease but these?*

* The physician whose researches are directed towards the hidden relations in the interior of the organism, may daily err; but the homoeopathist who grasps with requisite carefulness the whole group of symptoms, possesses a sure guide; and if he succeed in removing the whole group of symptoms he has likewise most assuredly destroyed the internal, hidden cause of the disease.

Justified ?

§ 7

Now, as in a disease, from which no manifest exciting or maintaining cause (causa occasionalis) has to be removed1, we can perceive nothing but the morbid symptoms, it must (regard being had to the possibility of a miasm, and attention paid to the accessory circumstances, § 5) be the symptoms alone by which the disease demands and points to the remedy suited to relieve it – and, moreover, the totality of these its symptoms, of this outwardly reflected picture of the internal essence of the disease, that is, of the affection of the vital force, must be the principal, or the sole means, whereby the disease can make known what remedy it requires – the only thing that can determine the choice of the most appropriate remedy – and thus, in a word, the totality2 of the symptoms must be the principal, indeed the only thing the physician has to take note of in every case of disease and to remove by means of his art, in order that it shall be cured and transformed into health.

§ 10

The material organism, without the vital force, is capable of no sensation, no function, no self-preservation1, it derives all sensation and performs all the functions of life solely by means of the immaterial being (the vital principle) which animates the material organism in health and in disease.

1 It is dead, and only subject to the power of the external physical world; it decays, and is again resolved into its chemical constituents.

Does SM Justify the word sensation ?

§ 15 Sixth Edition

The affection of the morbidly deranged, spirit-like dynamis (vital force) that animates our body in the invisible interior, and the totality of the outwardly cognizable symptoms produced by it in the organism and representing the existing malady, constitute a whole; they are one and the same. The organism is indeed the material instrument of the life, but it is not conceivable without the animation imparted to it by the instinctively perceiving and regulating dynamis, just as the vital force is not conceivable without the organism, consequently the two together constitute a unity, although in thought our mind separates this unity into two distinct conceptions for the sake of easy comprehension.

Justified ?

§ 18

From this indubitable truth, that besides the totality of the symptoms with consideration of the accompanying modalities (§ 5) nothing can by any means be discovered in disease wherewith they could express their need of aid, it follows undeniably that the sum of all the symptoms and conditions in each individual case of disease must be the sole indication, the sole guide to direct us in the choice of a remedy.

Justified ?

§ 21

Now, as it is undeniable that the curative principle in medicines is not in itself perceptible, and as in pure experiments with medicines conducted by the most accurate observers, nothing can be observed that can constitute them medicines or remedies except that power of causing distinct alterations in the state of health of the human body, and particularly in that of the healthy individual, and of exciting in him various definite morbid symptoms; so it follows that when medicines act as remedies, they can only bring their curative property into play by means of this their power of altering man’s state of health by the production of peculiar symptoms; and that, therefore, we have only to rely on the morbid phenomena which the medicines produce in the healthy body as the sole possible revelation of their in-dwelling curative power, in order to learn what disease-producing power, and at the same time what disease-curing power, each individual medicine possesses.

Justified ?

But as nothing is to be observed in diseases that must be removed in order to change them into health besides the totality of their signs and symptoms, and likewise medicines can show nothing curative besides their tendency to produce morbid symptoms in healthy persons and to remove them in diseased persons; it follows, on the one hand, that medicines only become remedies and capable of annihilating disease, because the medicinal substance, by exciting certain effects and symptoms, that is to say, by producing a certain artificial morbid state, removes and abrogates the symptoms already present, to wit, the natural morbid state we wish to cure. On the other hand, it follows that, for the totality of the symptoms of the disease to be cured, a medicine must be sought which (according as experience shall prove whether the morbid symptoms are most readily, certainly, and permanently removed and changed into health by similar or opposite medicinal symptoms1) have the greatest tendency to produce similar or opposite symptoms.

Justified ?

§ 25

Now, however, in all careful trials, pure experience,1 the sole and infallible oracle of the healing art, teaches us that actually that medicine which, in its action on the healthy human body, has demonstrated its power of producing the greatest number of symptoms similar to those observable in the case of disease under treatment, does also, in doses of suitable potency and attenuation, rapidly, radically and permanently remove the totality of the symptoms of this morbid state, that is to say (§ 6 – 16), the whole disease present, and change it into health; and that all medicines cure, without exception, those diseases whose symptoms most nearly resemble their own, and leave none of them uncured.

Justified ?

§ 27

The curative power of medicines, therefore, depends on their symptoms, similar to the disease but superior to it in strength (§ 12 – 26), so that each individual case of disease is most surely, radically, rapidly and permanently annihilated and removed only by a medicine capable of producing (in the human system) in the most similar and complete manner the totality of its symptoms, which at the same time are stronger than the disease.

Justified ?

§ 83

This individualizing examination of a case of disease, for which I shall only give in this place general directions, of which the practitioner will bear in mind only what is applicable for each individual case, demands of the physician nothing but freedom from prejudice and sound senses, attention in observing and fidelity in tracing the picture of the disease.

Justified ?

§ 84

The patient details the history of his sufferings; those about him tell what they heard him complain of, how he has behaved and what they have noticed in him; the physician sees, hears, and remarks by his other senses what there is of an altered or unusual character about him. He writes down accurately all that the patient and his friends have told him in the very expressions used by them. Keeping silence himself he allows them to say all they have to say, and refrains from interrupting them1 unless they wander off to other matters. The physician advises them at the beginning of the examination to speak slowly, in order that he may take down in writing the important parts of what the speakers say.

Justified ?

§ 86

When the narrators have finished what they would say of their own accord, the physician then reverts to each particular symptom and elicits more precise information respecting it in the following manner; he reads over the symptoms as they were related to him one by one, and about each of them he inquires for further particulars, e.g., at what period did this symptom occur? Was it previous to taking the medicine he had hitherto been using? While taking the medicine? Or only some days after leaving off the medicine? What kind of pain, what sensation exactly, was it that occurred on this spot? Where was the precise spot? Did the pain occur in fits and by itself, at various times? Or was it continued, without intermission? How long did it last? At what time of the day or night, and in what position of the body was it worst, or ceased entirely? What was the exact nature of this or that event or circumstance mentioned – described in plain words?

Justified ?

§ 88

If in these voluntary details nothing has been mentioned respecting several parts or functions of the body or his metal state, the physician asks what more can be told in regard to these parts and these functions, or the state of his disposition or mind1, but in doing this he only makes use of general expressions, in order that his informants may be obliged to enter into special details concerning them.

1 For example what was the character of his stools? How does he pass his water? How is it with his day and night sleep? What is the state of his disposition, his humor, his memory? How about the thirst? What sort of taste has he in his mouth? What kinds of food and drink are most relished? What are most repugnant to him? Has each its full natural taste, or some other unusual taste? How does he feel after eating or drinking? Has he anything to tell about the head, the limbs or the abdomen?

justified ?

§ 119

As certainly as every species of plant differs in its external form, mode of life and growth, in its taste and smell from every other species and genus of plant, as certainly as every mineral and salt differs from all others, in its external as well as its internal physical and chemical properties (which alone should have sufficed to prevent any confounding of one with another), so certainly do they all differ and diverge among themselves in their pathogenetic – consequently also in their therapeutic – effects.1 Each of these substances produces alterations in the health of human beings in a peculiar, different, yet determinate manner, so as to preclude the possibility of confounding one with another.2

1 Anyone who has a thorough knowledge of, and can appreciate the remarkable difference of, effects on the health of man of every single substance from those of every other, will readily perceive that among them there can be, in a medical point of view, no equivalent remedies whatever, no surrogates. Only those who do not know the pure, positive effects of the different medicines can be so foolish as to try to persuade us that one can serve in the stead of the other, and can in the same disease prove just as serviceable as the other. Thus do ignorant children confound the most essential different things, because they scarcely know their external appearances, far less their real value, their true importance and their very dissimilar inherent properties.

§ 120

Therefore medicines, on which depend man’s life and death, disease and health, must be thoroughly and most carefully distinguished from one another, and for this purpose tested by careful, pure experiments on the healthy body for the purpose of ascertaining their powers and real effects, in order to obtain an accurate knowledge

Justified ? Justified ? Justified?

Satyam Shivam Sundaram ........

January 12, 2012
8:13 pm
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Do not put a shame on  yourself, first read and comprehend books about SM.

January 12, 2012
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oriam
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Dear drofart and all,

I am almost coming to the same conclusion as your's, that I should stop to post here.

 

When I tried to give an answer to Snoopy's question on the acutes, I wanted sincerely and simply to give some references to WWR and perhaps some knowledge and experience that I have with SM. My goal was to share for our common progress here on Hpathy forum. But soon I had the impression that whatever i could said was not taken simply for what it was  but was used as a pretext to repeat already seen unfounded criticisms on SM, the same which were so frequently done in the past here on this forum. Before to post, I thought: there is a risk to hear the same as before ... but maybe now people are ready to share with a different mind... but the more I was trying to put things in a better perspective the more I had the impression to fail...

It is not the first time that such situations happens here. Others homeopaths practicing the SM wrote many posts to explain this approach and they shared a lot of cases to illustrate that this method, even if not perfect, can help all of us to become better in our work , and they stopped to do it...

The more I am trying to share , the more I become aware that my efforts have the opposite results to my intentions. It is very sad for me and I don't want to make things worse.

Mario

January 13, 2012
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Alex, I read three out of the four books you said we should be reading in order to avoid shame; so, I hope I can be allowed to comment.  Let me summarize my points briefly:

1.  I do not disrespect Sakaran, or why would I have read most of his books?

2.  I have adapted much of what he has taught and added many of his questions to my own constitutional questionnaire.

3.  What troubles me about the Sensation Method is that proper case-taking according to Hahnemann, as Drofart has quoted above, has seemingly been abandoned. Questions like, "What makes your complaint better or worse", or, "What may have been the cause of this complaint", even though Sankaran himself says that this is the proper way to take a case, have been dropped in favor of questions like, "What did you mean when you said, 'ball'?"

 4Sensation cases almost always seem to involve an exotic remedy, so you can never tell if you would have come up with the remedy yourself using the "usual way" of case-taking.  In this way, Sensation proponents shield themselves from criticism.  You can only be in awe because you would NEVER have been smart enough to find a remedy like Pig's Blood on your own! 
 
Every once in a while, I am surprised to find a typical Rhus tox or Apis case.  Invariably, I find myself saying, "Couldn't you have solved this case in five minutes if you had only asked for the modalities?"
 
What this suggests is, what would have been a fifteen minute case was dragged out for hours while attempts were made to "reach the depths of the patient's soul", at the risk of following a false lead leading to the wrong remedy, which Sankaran himself said is all too likely using this method.
 
Drofart may have gone overboard in quoting from the Organon above, but, one thing that stood out for me was the statement about healing using a method with "clearly comprehensible principles".  When I read Sensation cases, I am struck by the capriciousness of the case-taking, "What did you mean by 'focus'?" one practitioner asked when the patient said she was trying hard to "focus".  And then, when I think that a term really does require clarification, it's not asked for.  There is no doubt in my mind, it's all left up to the practitioner--what is asked and what isn't asked.  False leads, indeed; to be sure, are very likely.
 
Hahnemannian case-taking, as even Sankaran himself says, is so simple to explain and teach to someone.  But, then when it comes to his own cases that we read in his books, these questions are not asked!  It is not right that he sends these contradictory messages.  How well ARE his students being taught, those who do not have grounding in the teachings of the classical practitioners like Kent and Hahnemann?  Shouldn't a homeopath know how to solve a case of ear ache?  Quickly?  And even, God forbid, over the phone or online? 
 
But, that's it, that's all I wanted to say.  I have dinner to cook now. 
 
 
 
January 13, 2012
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My comments are at the bottom in red:

 

 

Dr. Ghanshyam Kalathia said

mubarak said

I'm very much interested in Sankaran's sensation method but I couldn't have chance to read much about it, experienced ones if share will be appreciated.


Sensation method as per I see…..

 

For better way to understand I give you one example of a case…

 

One man 48 years old has complains of chronic allergic rhinitis. He gets URTI very frequently, especially after change of weather or when he takes any sweet things. When we acquire about his mental he had tremendous fear of dog and fear of water. He frequently gets angry to his wife because of very small matters. He had a dream of ghost who tries to kill him. He desire broccoli and don’t like bengan, especially green type he don’t like.

           When we specially investigate so much he tells that he had tremendous fear that anybody try to kill him. He would come at me any time and I get finished.

 

This is the story so now we analyze them.

I select following rubrics…

 

Complete – Mentals

FEAR   animals, of  dogs, of (22)

1 androc, 3 BAC, 3 BELL, 1 bufo, 1 calc, 1 carc, 2 caust, 3 CHIN, 1 choc, 2 hyos, 1 lyss, 1 med, 1 nat-m, 1 nat-p, 1 plat, 2 puls, 1 sil, 2 stram, 1 syc-co, 2 tub, 1 tub-k, 1 verat

 

Combined Synthesis - Mentals

FEAR, GHOSTS, OF (33)

2 acon, 2 ars, 1 ars-s-f, 1 bell, 1 brom, 1 calc, 1 cann-i, 2 carb-v, 2 caust, 1 chin, 1 chin-ar, 1 cocc, 1 dros, 2 hyos, 2 kali-br, 1 kali-c, 2 lyc, 2 manc, 1 med, 1 op, 2 phos, 2 plat, 2 puls, 1 rado, 1 ran-b, 1 rhus-t, 1 sep, 1 spong, 1 stram, 2 sulph, 1 zinc, 1 zinc-p, 1 carc

 

Complete - Mentals

FEAR   death, of  impending, of (27)

1 acon, 1 agn, 2 am-c, 2 ars, 1 asaf, 3 BELL, 1 bry, 3 CANN-I, 1 caps, 1 carc, 2 caust, 1 cimic, 2 croc, 1 cupr, 1 glon, 1 lach, 2 lob, 3 MERC, 1 nit-ac, 1 nux-v, 1 op, 3 PHOS, 1 plat, 1 sec, 1 sep, 1 staph, 1 v-a-b

 

Complete - Mentals

FEAR   killing, of (19)

1 absin, 1 acon, 1 alumn, 1 am-m, 1 arg-n, 2 ars, 2 chin, 1 coff, 1 der, 1 kali-br, 1 manc, 1 merc, 2 nux-v, 1 plat, 2 rhus-t, 1 sep, 1 sil, 1 sulph, 1 thea

 

Complete - Mentals

FEAR   water, of (35)

1 acet-ac, 1 agav-a, 1 anag, 1 ant-c, 2 bell, 1 cann-i, 1 canth, 1 carc, 1 cocci-s, 1 cupr, 1 fagu, 1 gels, 3 HYOS, 1 iod, 1 jatr, 2 lach, 1 laur, 1 lycps, 3 LYSS, 1 med, 1 merc, 1 nux-v, 1 perh, 1 phel, 2 phos, 1 plb, 1 ruta, 1 sabad, 1 spirae, 3 STRAM, 1 sulph, 1 tanac, 1 tarent, 1 verat, 1 xan

 

Complete - Mentals

ANGER,   easily (55)

1 acon, 1 aesc, 1 androc, 1 arg-n, 1 ars, 1 aur, 1 aur-ar, 1 bar-m, 1 bell, 1 calad, 1 calc, 1 calc-hp, 1 calc-s, 1 calc-sil, 2 caps, 1 carbn-s, 3 CHAM, 1 chel, 1 chin-ar, 2 cocc, 1 con, 2 crot-h, 2 dulc, 2 ferr, 1 ferr-i, 2 gels, 2 graph, 2 hell, 1 hep, 1 hydr, 1 ign, 1 iris, 1 kali-m, 1 lap-gr-m, 3 LYC, 1 mang, 1 meph, 1 mez, 1 nat-c, 1 nat-m, 1 nat-p, 1 nicc, 1 nit-ac, 3 NUX-V, 2 phos, 2 plat, 2 psor, 1 ran-b, 1 sep, 1 squil, 1 staph, 1 teucr, 2 thuj, 1 valer, 2 zinc

 

Combined Synthesis - Generals

FOOD, SWEETS < (38)

1 acon, 1 am-c, 2 ant-c, 3 ARG-N, 1 ars, 1 aster, 1 bad, 1 bell, 1 calc, 1 calc-f, 2 cham, 1 choc, 1 cina, 1 cycl, 1 ferr, 1 fl-ac, 2 graph, 1 hep, 3 IGN, 2 ip, 1 lach, 2 lyc, 1 mand, 1 med, 2 merc, 2 nat-p, 1 nux-v, 1 ox-ac, 1 phos, 2 puls, 1 sang, 1 sel, 1 spig, 1 spong, 2 sulph, 1 thuj, 1 zinc, 1 zinc-p

 

Complete - Generals

WEATHER change of agg.  warm to cold (21)

1 acon, 2 ars, 1 calc, 1 calc-p, 1 calc-sil, 1 carb-v, 2 caust, 3 DULC, 1 hep, 3 MERC, 1 nat-sil, 1 nit-ac, 2 nux-v, 1 puls, 2 ran-b, 2 rhus-t, 1 sabad, 2 sil, 1 stront-c, 1 tub, 3 VERAT

 

This are the rubrics and in them totally we had 300 remedies, so now question is how can we select the any particular remedy?

 

Can we give anything from them?

             No! no! not at all!!!

 

So, what can we do now?

 

Very difficult because it is like find a fish from ocean!

 

Every story’s beginning is confusion!

 

For find a remedy by better way we have to develop some finer way or we have to change something. Either we develop a finer skill to obtain more accurate and precise information or divide all remedies in to the group.

 

Journey from confusion to confidence

 

There are two ways to evolve our self.

 

Evolution

(1) Formation of groups of Remedies

(2) Develop finer and accurate system for case taking

 

Develop system for case taking

For perfect case taking we have to obtain maximum information with pin-point accuracy. If we divide our information into groups then our work become more accurate.

 

For better way to understand this let’s we remember our old master J. T. Kent, for analysis he divide information into PP, PG, MG. he guide us that which one is more important and which is less important. So now, we obtain a tool by which we travel smoothly in case-taking. We just start from PP or PG and then enter in to the realm of mind and finally find out the mental general. (Our motto is to find out the Mental general)

 

Dr. Sankaran do the same thing, he use different words for PP, PG, MG. he divide them in to seven Levels and give the different names…

  1. Name (Diagnosis)
  2. Fact (PP, PG)
  3. Emotions (Mental)
  4. Perceptions (Mental)
  5. Sensation (Combination of PG and MG)
  6. Energy
  7. Seventh

 

He add one more thing then the Dr. Kent “the vital sensation”. If we find out the commonness between the mind and the body, our journey of case-taking become complete. If we see the commonness between mind and body then we are 100% accurate to prescribe the right remedy and we gain 100% confidence on our prescription.

 

Formation of groups for remedy

This is our second target. Just go to our last case, the analysis had all 300 remedies but if we divide that 300 remedies in to it’s origin then the number of remedies are decreased. Suppose it had 80 animal remedies, 120 plant remedies and 100 mineral remedies. So, now we had smaller group, but still the remedies are more. So now we do next division. If we divide 120 plant remedies according their families then we had very smaller amount and now we are more confidentially decide any one remedy. Dr. Sankaran gives new name to this process, “A kingdom classification”.

 

Kingdom classification

  • Plant
  • Animal
  • Mineral
  • Nosodes
  • Sarcodes
  • Imponderbilia

 

So the sensation method is nothing but more accurate method for case taking/How to understand the issues of the patient and precise classification of the remedies/perfect map to find the right remedy....

By the journey of the sensation method your work become more confident and more precise.....

 

Sorry I missed this case, I went back to the beginning of the thread to reread it, and I just now saw it.

So, I take it you're not going to tell us what the remedy was?  It seems clearly to be a Stramonium case.

I repertorized it using the following rubrics:

Change of weather agg.

Fear of dogs

Sweets agg.

Delusion will be murdered

Delusion, pursued by ghosts (Sankaran says dreams and delusions are the same thing)

Anger from trifles

Fear of water

 

The remedy that came up #1 was Belladonna.  #2 was Stramonium.  I went for Stramonium because the peculiar "delusion, pursued by ghosts" was not there under Belladonna; and I think Sankaran would agree that the delusions in a case have to be covered by the remedy.

 

You stated:

 

These are the rubrics and in them totally we had 300 remedies, so now question is how can we select the any particular remedy?

 

Can we give anything from them?

 

             No! no! not at all!!!

 

Why?  I don't understand why we can't solve this case or why it is presumed to be covered by too many remedies.  The PECULIAR symptoms in the case are NOT covered by too many remedies.  The peculiar symptoms point to Stramonium: 

delusion would be murdered,

fear of water,

fear of dogs and

delusion is pursued by ghosts.

 

Do you know the part of the Organon that says that the most striking, strange rare and peculiar aspects of the case must, above all else, be covered by the remedy?  That's Aphorism 153.  The strange, rare and peculiar symptoms of the case clearly point to stramonium.

Thank you for the case.

 

January 13, 2012
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I would like to add some words here. 

I have had the opportunity to interview Dr. Sankaran at length and have had many meaningful exchanges in person many times. I personally know most of his close colleagues too and have had discussions related to this topic with them too. This is what I have gathered so far:

 

1. Neither Dr. Sankaran, nor his colleagues say that somebody using sensation method has to use it exclusively.

2. They do not claim that it will work in all cases.

3. They openly accept that this is just one more tool in our kit. But a good homeopath should have access to all.

4. It is a myth that Dr. Sankaran does not use modalities, concomitants etc. As far as I know his patients are required to fill a questionnaire prior to the appointment, which is just like any other homeopath's questionnaire. I think it is available somewhere at his clinic website too.

5. Yes, many of his cases use unproved and rare remedies. That has its cons and can be hotly debated but the way they have developed their methods, they reach there. 

6. When somebody is writing a book or conducting a seminar 'ABOUT' sensation method, you should not expect to find cases solved in 5 minutes there. It doesn't mean they can't do that or don't do that. But they will definitely showcase their method for whatever case they present. 

 

Please bring some sanity to the discussion. Every homeopath has to find his/her own individuality. Pick what works for you, learn from everyone...what resonates with you..and improve your own own individual strengths as a prescriber. 

The results of Vithoulkas, ICR, Vijayakar, Sanakaran, Scholten, Banerjee, Ramakrishnan and many others can be kept in parallel. Stick to the basics and learn from everyone. Learn from old masters too.

 

Critical analysis and criticism without experience or study are two different things.

 

PS: I am not a sensation method practitioner. 

My love for homeopathy stems from the results that I see and not just from my belief in its theory.
January 13, 2012
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It is enough and clear.

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January 13, 2012
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Hello, Dr. B, it's always reassuring to know that you're around, keeping things under control.  

I know Dr. Sankaran has a questionnaire, and I know he asks all the questions that Hahnemann in the Organon says should be asked.  I learned that from a discussion board post a while back.  The problem is, nowhere in his books does he say the patient has filled out a questionnaire and given all the usual information about modalities, etc. that most of us need to solve a case.  This is kept from the reader.

 

When I read his cases, I'm thinking, "Gee, if I had the information I generally ask for, maybe I would be able to solve this case too." 

 

The Apis case I talked about, the allergic reaction to lipstick?  He had the questionnaire, so he knew it was Apis.  So, here he is trying to get her to mention bees.  She won't do it.  She says she's scared of snakes and dreams of snakes.  He ignores that.  She says she's scared of men.  He ignores that.  She says she's scared of insects and scared of roaches.  He ignores that.  She says she hates mosquitoes.  He ignores that.  She says she's scared of dogs.  He lets that go by.  She's just not saying what he wants to hear because he already knows what the remedy is!  So he says, "What about insects?"  Now, she's already said she's afraid of insects, so why is he asking it again?  But now, finally, she says, "I'm afraid of bees."  Hooray!  So then Dr. Sankaran says, "This is where the whole case comes together, she tells us the name of her source."

Now, please!  Why wasn't she telling us the name of her source when she said she was afraid of snakes?  Why wasn't she telling us the name of her source when she said she hated mosquitoes?  He knew what the remedy was, because he took a Hahnemannian case, which he didn't tell anyone about, and then badgered the patient until she finally said "Bees", making it appear that once again, the Sensation method really works!  I rest my case. 

I am simply asking people not to be so gullible; but, at the same time, yes, Dr. Sankaran does have a lot of wisdom and insight that we can take from him.

January 13, 2012
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A 6 months old son of my daughter suffered from severe coryza.I gave him 3 doses of Eupatorium Purf; just a drop mixed with honey and it cured him. A relative of mine suffered from gastric derangement, fever and chest pain due to cold. I gave her Ars and Bry in alternation. Within 24 hours she got well. Why should I go for such a long and complicated procedure when I can select the proper remedy within minutes?

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January 13, 2012
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Still we can learn a lot from Sankaran and others.

sajjad.

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I think both your posts about sum it up, Sajjad.

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How did you know to give Eup-perf. for coryza to a 6 month old?  It sounds like a tough case for the lack of symptoms.

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Here is the link to Dr. Sankaran's case record forms.

 

http://www.sankaransclinic.com.....ininf8.htm

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Snoopy said


3.  What troubles me about the Sensation Method is that proper case-taking according to Hahnemann, as Drofart has quoted above, has seemingly been abandoned. Questions like, "What makes your complaint better or worse", or, "What may have been the cause of this complaint", even though Sankaran himself says that this is the proper way to take a case, have been dropped in favor of questions like, "What did you mean when you said, 'ball'?"


I always hear questions  like "What make your complaint better or worse"  from my homeopath , and my homeopath takes chronic cases almost always with SM.

In his book "The Spirit of Homeopathy" he writes that what he is  doing is very similar to what dr Sehgal is doing, but he (Sankaran) also uses physical symptoms.

My first remedy was Asimina Triloba and it worked well for me ( I am very "hard" patient - my "main complaint" is rare personality disorder , I was misdiagnosed with schizophrenia and treated.

This treatment caused a lot of problems , and many of them persists up to now.).

My peculiar symptom was  "Acne. Itching in evening on undressing."

http://abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Asim

But remedy was mostly  prescribed on basis of my feelings.

Asimina belongs to Magnolia family, my feeling corresponded to this family, next my miasm was determined, and my peculiar symptom also was taken in account.


 4Sensation cases almost always seem to involve an exotic remedy, so you can never tell if you would have come up with the remedy yourself using the "usual way" of case-taking.  In this way, Sensation proponents shield themselves from criticism.  You can only be in awe because you would NEVER have been smart enough to find a remedy like Pig's Blood on your own! 

How many remedies existed 100 years ago and how many remedies exist now?

Mumbai School Method ( BSM) allows to use all 4000 ( or more ) existing remedies.

And as new remedies are proved BSM allows immediately use them.

Can I ask you : did you study BSM in person, not by book?

 
Every once in a while, I am surprised to find a typical Rhus tox or Apis case.  Invariably, I find myself saying, "Couldn't you have solved this case in five minutes if you had only asked for the modalities?"
 
What this suggests is, what would have been a fifteen minute case was dragged out for hours while attempts were made to "reach the depths of the patient's soul", at the risk of following a false lead leading to the wrong remedy, which Sankaran himself said is all too likely using this method.

As soon as I understand complex cases usually are not sloved in 15 minutes.
There are many ways from North Pole to South one.
As soon as I understand in case of chronic disease one can say only after several years if case was solved correctly.   
 
When I read Sensation cases, I am struck by the capriciousness of the case-taking, "What did you mean by 'focus'?" one practitioner asked when the patient said she was trying hard to "focus".  And then, when I think that a term really does require clarification, it's not asked for.  There is no doubt in my mind, it's all left up to the practitioner--what is asked and what isn't asked.  False leads, indeed; to be sure, are very likely.

As soon , as I understand practical medicine is studied personally, not from books.
 
 But, then when it comes to his own cases that we read in his books, these questions are not asked!  It is not right that he sends these contradictory messages.

In very complex method misunderstanding or controversy  sometimes may come up.

  How well ARE his students being taught, those who do not have grounding in the teachings of the classical practitioners like Kent and Hahnemann?  Shouldn't a homeopath know how to solve a case of ear ache?  Quickly?  And even, God forbid, over the phone or online? 
 
As soon as I know , Sankaran himself  do not teach students from beginning - he teach those who already have homeopathic education.
And I described program in college where students study BSM as part of initial education.
 
 
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