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February 15, 2014
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when i read online, the general description/personality profile for carc is the same at most sites.

But I recently read there are up to 48 different sources of carcinosinum??????? so do all of these share the same remedy profile?

 

when a homeopath gives carc–do they know which source they got it from?>

February 23, 2014
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You have a valid point. Some facts about Carcinosin:

1. There are no reliable provings of Carcinosin

2. Clinical observations from different sources have been collated in the modern repertories and used as reliable rubrics by modern homeopaths

3. Most homeopaths use Carcinosin completely allopathically – using Carcinosin to counter the so called cancer diathesis / hereditary factors. 

February 24, 2014
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I use the one made from breast cancer, as this is the source about which most of those observations have been made. I have used this remedy many times to cure a variety of complaints on the basis of this picture, so I have found it to be a reliable guide. I have heard that some homeopaths prefer to use one made from a variety of tumors from different locations (Carc-mix) which I have in my stock (based on advice from Dr. Tinus Smits) but I have not yet found any reason to use it. Every patient who displayed the profile of Carcinosin responded to the one sourced from breast cancer.

There was a proving done of this remedy in Mexico. You can follow this link to see it  https://hpathy.com/provings/Carcinosinum-proving.pdf

 

 

February 27, 2014
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Wow.  Okay.  David, I will give you a new reason to use other carcinosins.   When my boy was diagnosed with ITP the h-path originally prescribed carcinosin.  We could get no movement from the 15T carcinosin (forget the single source carcinosin).  It took some research and consulting with her colleagues but it was recommended that my son be moved to the 58T carcinosin.  It took very few days after his first dose and he went from zero platelets to 15000 platelets.  Still low, but no longer critical.  Our boy won’t even respond to any other form of carcinosin but the 58T.  As a matter of fact, when I was interviewing homeopaths, one of the questions I asked was to determine if they even knew about this particular remedy as our first h-path did not until she did some research.  I won’t even consider an h-path that does not understand the value of this remedy!  While it is unusual for a person’s “constitutional” to be a nosode, it has been confirmed by 3 different h-paths with near certainty that the 58T is my boy’s constitutional.  It is a remedy he absolutely thrives on and has healed tremendously with.  So, don’t toss out the other forms of carcinosin!  You may never know when you need them. 

As a side note – the 58T carcinosin has both types of cancer that run on my husbands side and that my boy obviously will have  weakness for – lymphoma and leukemia. 

 

Patti

 

February 27, 2014
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Well Patti that is very interesting. The remedy may be acting in the traditional way nosodes are used, to clear out the inherited tendency your son has, or at least to palliate it. If it is his constitutional, meaning his simillimum, it should cure though.

I see a lot of patients who need a nosode as their chronic remedy – Medorrhinum, Carcinosinum (breast), Tuberculinum bov, Psorinum, Syphilinum, Ringworm, Pertussin, Bacc, Leprosinum, Lyssin – I can remember many cases of these, with the first five being reasonably common over the years.

The specific remedy you mention certainly is new to me, I will have to have a look at them.

 

February 28, 2014
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My DS went through a fairly big healing crisis a few weeks ago.  He had not had carcinosin for quite some time.  He was taking thuja at the time for what I presume to be clearing out some damage from vaccines he had as a baby.  We gave him a dose of the 58T carcinosin and not only did his platelets shoot back up to normal within 24hrs (usually takes a week), but some things that had been lingering around on his body went away as well.  He looks and acts now, like he did before he got the MMR shot at 18mos.  If I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes I’d probably think someone was nuts. 🙂  I do believe we are winding down his care for his ITP.   I see no more lingering signs of it as we had previous to this last dose.  The thuja was a good intercurrent for him.  I think it paved the way for a dose of the 58T carc. to finish its work. 

All that to say, this is a remedy that is WORTH learning about and understanding how to use.  When no movement is seen with either the 1T carc, or even the 15T, looking at the 58T is worthwhile.  Carc. IS what my boy needed 3yrs ago, he just needed the right one.  ;)

 

 

March 2, 2014
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Ah this is the remedy made from 58 different kinds of tumors, excluding all the bowel ones.  Tinus smits typically used 15T I believe, which I think is the one I have in my stock (that I have never used).

However, it does beg a question often asked in homoeopathy – how much difference does the specific source of the medicine make? Does the breed of dog for Lac caninum matter? Does the state of that dog’s health? When making Lac humanum, does the remedy the woman need matter if she has not been treated with homoeopathy? Would the drugs she is taking matter? Does the environment the Chamomile plant grow in make any difference? When using Medhorrhinum, would it matter if it was a male or a female patient the discharge it taken from?

I have even used Dr. Smits profile of Carc, but only used the breast cancer source, and had wonderful success that way.

At what point does the substance enter into a state that resonates in a kind of archetypal way, and those little differences become irrelevant? We make a lot of successful prescriptions using substance with these differences, but applying the picture made from perhaps only one proving, although the remedies used are made in different countries under different conditions.

It is an interesting question and has yet to be answered. It might be that at the low potencies these differences are more noticeable, but once you get higher up these differences are not so important, or may even disappear. There is a lot we still don’t understand about our medicines.

April 20, 2014
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Can you write me pls where can I buy remedy llike that you have?

April 21, 2014
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Carcinosin 58T can be ordered from Remedia Homeopathic pharmacy in Austria.  (The ‘T’ stands for how many different kinds of tumors it is made from, so, in this case, 58)

 

 

April 23, 2014
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Thanks, Avril, this is useful info. And thanks, Patti, for the insight and experience of your son’s case. Good luck and so glad that you’ve found this working so well.

February 4, 2015
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Hi Patti,

I was diagnosed with ITP about a year ago. Gone through all traditional therapies like steroids, IVIG and then promacta.

I am lucky that I don’t bleed even at count of 3K, just a little gum bleeding and petechiae. Steroids did not worked on me but IVIG give good response, 200K+ within 2 days but its only good for a month then back to 0. In February 2014 my doctor gave me promacta which kept me in safe limit for few months but slowly this magic pill stopped working. Right now, i am at a count of 12K and refused to go for more IVIG.

I read your great posts on your son ITP on this forum as well as on another forum and finally i see some hope that I may get a cure as well.

Would you please advise, what are your recommendations to avoid bleeding at very low counts (almost 0) and to proceed towards Hpathy treatment.

Thanks in advance..

April 11, 2015
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Dear Hunt,

As you can understand from the posts above, you would need a good homeopath to take your case in detail and figure out a suitable remedy that resonates with YOU as a person, and not just a remedy that might have some effect on ITP. Certainly, there may be some remedies that have an action on blood and its constituents, but then it will remain for your homeopath to choose when and how to use those. Chronic long term conditions cannot be prescribed for in an off-hand manner, most times.

But yes, going by the results Patti has had, it’s very promising.

Good luck!

April 26, 2015
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Hunt said
Hi Patti,

I was diagnosed with ITP about a year ago. Gone through all traditional therapies like steroids, IVIG and then promacta.

I am lucky that I don’t bleed even at count of 3K, just a little gum bleeding and petechiae. Steroids did not worked on me but IVIG give good response, 200K+ within 2 days but its only good for a month then back to 0. In February 2014 my doctor gave me promacta which kept me in safe limit for few months but slowly this magic pill stopped working. Right now, i am at a count of 12K and refused to go for more IVIG.

I read your great posts on your son ITP on this forum as well as on another forum and finally i see some hope that I may get a cure as well.

Would you please advise, what are your recommendations to avoid bleeding at very low counts (almost 0) and to proceed towards Hpathy treatment.

Thanks in advance..

Hi Hunt,

I am sorry I’m just now responding to this.  I don’t come here very often.  First, yes, you MUST have a good homeopath to guide and treat you.  But PLEASE do so!  H-pathy is so effective for ITP and the drugs are so awful!  My boy was at zero for 3 months so I very much understand your concern about bleeding.  Some things we did that are non-homeopathic to help him were large doses of vit. C to help his cell integrity.  We worked him up to 15,000mg of Vit. C per day split into 6 doses.  We could ONLY give this to him in powder form in applesauce otherwise the capsules would give him horrible diarrhea.  It doesn’t taste great, but it was exceedingly effective in keeping him from bleeding when he was at zero.  We made sure to feed him a whole foods, organic diet using lots of bone broths to try and heal his gut.  Digestive enzymes to make sure his body was digesting and getting all of the nutrients it could out of his food.  And of course, his main treatment (after IVIG, prednisone, etc) was homeopathy with carcinosin (and we’ve used many other remedies since then).  We are currently doing a clearing of the DPT shot he got as a baby.  His platelets are continuing to hold stable around 74,000 and they continue to go up naturally as we use the h-pathy to heal his body. 

Please definitely find yourself a good homeopath.  If you’re in the states and you can’t find one let me know and I’d be happy to share the info for the one we use. 

 

All the best,

patti

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I thought it is worth continuing this discussion.

I bought Carcinosin (58T) from Remedia in Austria. Recently I had a chance to use it.

I have a patient of Thrombocytosis and bone marrow fibrosis that developed secondary to the chemotherapeutic treatment of the thrombocytosis. His allopathic treatment still continues but he has started concurrent homeopathy with it to prevent rapid degradation of his condition.

I have judged Carcinosin to be his remedy. I can say that there has been some amount of improvement in energy levels and the wild fluctuations in his counts are now a rare occurrence. However, his Haemoglobin that was remaining at around 8 or 8.5 gm% improved only marginally to settle at around 9.5 or 10 gm% despite his taking weekly erythropoetin injections. His ESR too has remained in the range of 80-100 since a long time now.

Since improvement seemed stuck at this level, I decided to give the Carcinosin (58T) a try. (I have already used Carcinosin 15T for him).

It is early days yet and only 3 weeks have passed since the dose of Carcinosin (58T) 200c was given. However, his recent reports show the Haemoglobin to have jumped from 10.3 gm% to 11 gm% and the ESR has come down to 49. Energy has been very good as well.  This makes me feel very positively towards this Carcinosin 58T and I hope, that there is a lot of improvement in the cards for this patient, even for his platelets and bone marrow fibrosis.

 

Thanks, Avril and Patti!

June 13, 2015
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Firuzi,

I am thrilled that this discussion has helped one of your patients!  Many best wishes for continued healing for him! 

 

Patti

June 13, 2015
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Thanks, Patti!

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Hi Patti/Firuzi

Thanks for all your guidance. Finally I found a Homepath and started my treatment of ITP couple of months ago.

He started with Crotalus Hor. then Lacisis, and gave me Tuberculinum and sulpher during the courses, one remedy at a time.

Cro. Hor. (200) worked once and my platelets went up to 20K for a week but never worked after that.

I mentioned Carcinisim 58T after Patti mentioned that, which after some discussion, he also wanted me to try.

I tried to buy it from Austria as everyone mentioned but they no longer ship to USA or I am selecting something wrong while ordering.

Finally I got it(Carcicosin 58T (200)) from Elixirs.com .

My question is, if anyone used this source(Elixirs) before?

Which potency is best, should I also order 1M too as my doctor was asking if higher potency is available?

I already took my first doze yesterday, when i should start expecting to see results, if any?

Does this remedy involves healing crises, if yes, what kind of?

Thanks in advance

Hunt

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