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November 6, 2013
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I’ve read through many posts and articles on this subject, but still need some guidance. We got a lab mix puppy when she was about 9 weeks old from a groomer who had rescued her. She was given a combination vaccine at about 8 weeks by the groomer, and also a wormer.  She is happy and bouncy, but has become progressively more itchy and has lost hair from chewing/and/or falling out. Took her to a “holistic” vet who did scrapings for mange (inconclusive) and yeast. She did have bacteria and yeast. He prescribed 3 days of a steroid and said if it stopped the itching, probably wasn’t mange. It did stop the itching. Took her off it and itching came back and has become worse in 3-4 weeks. The vet tried to sell me expensive shampoo and some herbal supplements which I could not afford. Since reading about homeopathy, I first tried mezereum, which seemed to help somewhat. Then I read about Thuja and gave her that in case the early vaccine was the problem. It helped somewhat. But the itching continued with more bald patches.  I then tried sulphur, which seemed to aggravate the itching, so gave only two doses. Since it aggravated, does that mean it was the correct remedy? If so, should I leave her off it or give more doses? 

She eats mostly cooked chicken, turkey, vegetables and given raw meaty beef bones. I also give her coconut oil to help fight any yeast and also apply that to her skin.

 

Any advice will be truly appreciated!! Thank you.

November 7, 2013
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The case needs to be taken properly. Giving skin remedies will almost never help such conditions, as they actually arise from the internal imbalance in her health. Sulphur tends to aggravate skin conditions whether it is the right remedy or not, and it can often suppress them (making them worse) if it is being used without suiting the whole case.

Do you know how to give a homoeopathic case?

November 7, 2013
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David, thanks for the response. No, I do not know how to give a case. I did find a website where I could enter symptoms and get possible remedies, which originally led me to the mezereum. And as for the Thuja, I used that based on a long article by Pitcairn.  If you (or anyone else) can guide me on how to proceed, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

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 Mmm not sure but with chewing/itching, vaccination, alopecia it seems like Staphisagria. i would go with 12 c with minimal doses and less than 3 repetition with 2/3 succussions.

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When a symptom is given, it should be qualified by as many of the following as possible (some of these will not be appropriate when you are reporting on someone else):

1.  What does it feel like?

2. What makes it worse?

3. What makes it better?

4. When does it occur?

5. What happens at the same time (other symptoms, behaviour)?

6. When did it start? What has happening at the time?

 

When looking at the general state of the patient, you are looking at the emotions, the thoughts, the way they behave, the appetite, the thirst, sleep, sexual desire and function, digestion, bowel function, sensitivities to the environment.

In animals we cannot ask them about certain things that might be considered good diagnostic symptoms – emotions, ideas, delusions, dreams, sensations. Instead you have to try and deduce from their behaviour, and this carries a risk of error especially if the person is not experienced in prescribing via observations.

What is particularly useful is anything that is peculiar – things that are unexpected in the situation, things that do not normally happen in the situation, things that are unusual for a member of that species eg. dry mouth without thirst, hunger with aversion to food, fear of mice in cats, poor sense of smell in dogs etc.

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Thank you. I will work on the case.

November 9, 2013
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David Kempson said
The case needs to be taken properly. Giving skin remedies will almost never help such conditions, as they actually arise from the internal imbalance in her health. Sulphur tends to aggravate skin conditions whether it is the right remedy or not, and it can often suppress them (making them worse) if it is being used without suiting the whole case.

Hi David, while I am completely in sync with most parts of your statement, my experience with Sulphur seems completely opposite to yours.

In cases where it is indicated, I have seen Sulphur cure the skin conditions most rapidly and permanently. In my opinion and experience, ‘If Sulphur is indicated, one should give Sulphur‘ – just as in any other condition and with any other medicine.

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Hi Surabhi,

 

I didn’t mean if Sulphur was indicated, I meant if Sulphur is just given because the person has a skin disease. Many times non-homoeopaths give Sulphur for the wrong reasons, and because of its affinity for the skin it can have unpleasant adverse effects.

Indicated of course does not mean just the skin symptoms match, but the whole state must match or you risk suppressing the disease.

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I will try to follow David’s guidelines about giving the case:

Lena is a 4 month old lab mix puppy. She was dumped off with a sister by original owners at a vet’s office. She was given a combination puppy vaccine there (duramune max 5 modified live virus and coronavirus duramune killed virus) at about age 8 weeks.  She was then taken in by a groomer who was next to the vet. We adopted her from the groomer when Lena was about 10 weeks old.  I noticed immediately that she did not have much fur on her hind legs.  She became progressively itchy and lost more fur. Has small bumps on top of head and on side, sort of crusty. Back haunches have very little fur now, dry skin. Thin fur around eyes.

— it feels like —- urgent, HAVE to scratch

— what makes it worse — sleeping, waking

— what makes it better — heat possibly, she likes sitting in front of a heater

— what happens at the same time — cannot be distracted from scratching;  gets attention from me because of scratching.

— when does it occur – anytime, but worse upon waking

— when did it start — upon going to new home

— other — when cuddled up next to me sleeping, seems to shiver, tremble every now and then

Appetite and thirst seem normal. Seems to like warm food better. 

I found it odd that a puppy could stay inside all night without having to go out to pee. She could do this from day one.

Submissive peeing around new people.

Came here about two weeks after our previous dog died from a snake bite. She seemed to sense the other dog for the first few days, barking at spaces where the other dog used to sit.

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Based on the above symptoms, a tool n a website called ABC Homeopathy led me to Mezereum and Sulphur.

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If anyone has any ideas on how I could proceed, please let me know. I am desperate for this poor itchy girl!SUNP0040.JPGImage EnlargerSUNP0046.JPGImage Enlarger

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Anybody? She had a terribly itch day today. Need help please.

November 12, 2013
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Ah Rebecca, 

 

She is so sweet.  I’m so sorry she is suffering like this. I know David will be back here to help you as soon as he can.  I fermented some ACV and organic calendula flowers.  I’m not sure if that would be suppressive or if it’s something you could use for her.  

 

Are you in the US?  If David says you can use it then I can send you some, but I don’t want to interfere with any homeopathic remedy. Suppressing what is already this bad is not even an option.  

David will be back to help.  I’m here with a prayer for her complete recovery.  

 

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Sorry Rebecca I didn’t mean to leave you hanging.

Hmmm….not sure this is really enough of a case to be prescribing on. The absence of urge to urinate at night seems the most peculiar, which I can only find in Ferrum. On the other hand, purely looking at the other symptoms, and primarily the skin, I would think of Rhus-tox.

Is there nothing else you can see about her personality? Fears or anxieties? General behaviour during the day? It is a thin case.

If there really is nothing else, I would try either Ferrum 30c, or Rhus-tox 6c.

 

 

November 12, 2013
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Dear Rebecca,

 

Looks like Calcarea carb to me. All symptoms point strongly towards the remedy:

 

Symptoms used:

– Dry eruptions

– Fur falling out from whole body

– Trembling and shivering at night

– Aggravation after sleep

– Aggravation on walking

 

I would give her a 200 in liquid dose given the presentation.

 

Regards

 

 

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Thank you, all, for your responses. Yes, Victoria, I am in the US, small town in Texas.

 

The only fear Lena has ever shown was the first couple of days in the house when she was near where my previous dog would sit and wait for me. Lena barked at the area, backed up and wouldn’t go near it.  Now, she basically has no fears, does not seem anxious. The only emotion I can see seems to be “sadness” sometimes, especially after a bout of scratching.

She does not like to be touched on the head, will shy away if you go to pet her there. 

 

She has a bad odor.

 

That is the rest of the story. Once again, my sincere thanks to all who have responded to me.

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Surabhi, those symptoms bring up a number of remedies – what lead you to Calc?

When I repertorize them I get all the following showing for all those rubrics:

 

Lach, Sulph, Merc, Sep, Phos, Ars, Calc, Nat-m, Lyc, Chin, Sil, Nux-v, Hep, Carb-v, Alum, Thuj, Zinc, Graph, Kali-c, Con, Chel, Staph, Mag-c, Ph-ac, Dulc.

 

It does lead me to think about Graphities as well though.

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Hi David,

 

Yes, Graphites does come up for consideration. However, it is indicated more particularly for moist eruptions than dry. The other remedies which were very strongly considered and ran parallel to Calcarea were Phosphorus & Sulphur. However, both have limited applicability to hair falling out from whole body – they are very strongly indicated if hair disappears in a localized patch on specific locations, but not in cases where hair falls out from the whole body. Am not sure about the rubric you used for this. Another remedy that was considered was Carbo veg. However, it is hardly indicated for Aggravations, walking which is a main feature of the case. No other remedies were thrown up in my repertorization that covered all these symptoms. Repertorization as done using TPB and SRH. Both showed up similar results. This was further confirmed with the Guiding symptoms for verification on grades and then the remedy prescribed.

 

Trust this answers your question.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

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I am always interested to see how another homoeopath processes information so that is interesting thank you.

I notice Graphites is listed as a grade 2 symptom for dry eruptions so for me that would be enough to keep it in consideration although I agree it is more well-known for moist eruptions.

The symptom I used for hair falling is Skin, hair, falling which lists both Sulphur and Phosphorous in the 1st grade. I cured a case of complete alopecia with Sulphur many years ago so I know that it at least definitely covers this condition.

I assume you meant < waking as the main feature rather than walking? I saw that as a feature but what made it stand out as the main one for you?

 

 

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Hi David,

Kent and others took the rubric ‘Eruptions, dry’ from TPB, where it is 2 on a 4 point scale. The reason for the abrupt change of grading from 4 points to two points scale was never explained. However, I am not saying Graphites will not help Dry eruptions. I myself have cured cases of dry eruptions with Graphites. I would say that numerical totality and higher grade on most symptoms generated a positive bias towards Calcarea.

The rubric I used was Skin, hair falls out, whole body – just 12 remedies cover this! Most of the remedies in Skin, har, fall out correspond to hair fall from head. The rubric in TBH has the following remedies:

Grade 3 : Calc, Graph, nat mur

Grade 2: Carb veg, Hell, Sabina, Secale

Grade 1: Ars, Kali c, Op, Phos, Sulph

 

Oops, I wrote <walking wrong! It was a typo. It should have been <waking and it was this very symptom that was used for repertorization. Sorry for the typo. The reason I used it as a symptom to repertorize was that it is not common for all eruptions to itch more on waking. Hence, it was a peculiar symptom for me.

 

Regards,

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Hello– new information. Today I had to be out of the house all day to travel to another city, so I took the dog with me. During the time in the car, in and out different areas, she was not itchy or scratching.  Upon coming into our home, she picked up a ball to play, then stopped to start chewing on her leg, then later started scratching.

 

I was able to purchase the rhus tox 6C, but unable to find calcarea carb 200 (is it X or C?) liquid. I can always order that if the rhus has no effect.

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Ah thanks Surabhi I appreciate you taking the time to explain that.

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