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Rebecca,

I wonder if you should dose the psorinum in water for a few days and see if she does any better?  It seemed to give a little bit of relief before.  Maybe water dosing daily would help.   IIRC, rhus tox helped a little bit or no?

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Hello Rebecca, sorry I’ve been away so long!  What you said about the dog trying to be friends with other dogs who don’t like her (sorry she was attacked, I hope she recovered OK) and also what you said about her being a dog who is submissive and wants to please, makes me think of Staphysagria.    

Now, I’ve read the case over from the beginning.  Here is the crucial part, I believe:

 

 

R: To continue, when reviewing her history, I see this:
11/27/13 1 dose rhus 30C
Itching intermittent, gave 4 or 5 doses calc carb
12/18/13 1 dose rhus 30C when she was itching/scratching terribly. She calmed down in a few minutes and went to sleep. Elaine commenting:  1 dose rhus tox 30C–she calmed down and went to sleep.  This is the sign of a correctly prescribed remedy!  I can’t stress this enough!  When you see this–a person/dog calming down after a remedy and going to sleep–look no further!  You have scored a touchdown!  Never leave this remedy for nothin’!  You can’t do any better than this!  If the dog relapses from this improvement, give the remedy again.  If after some time the remedy fails to hold like before, it’s time to plus the bottle (make it stronger).  Plussing instructions are in my FAQ article (“Homeopathy: Frequently Asked Questions”) on my website :www.ElaineLewis.hpathy.com  I would plus the bottle 3 times to a 33C and see if it holds longer now.
3 days of arsenicum
12/25/13 1 dose rhus 30C when she was itching/scratching terribly. Once again, she calmed down in a few minutes and went to sleep.
Since she calms down from the dose of rhus, does this mean it is just palliative or is a cure working? Elaine comments: No, palliation does not help the patient in general, only locally!  So, a palliated case might mean the itching stops but no calmness and no falling asleep!  When calm takes over, that is a deep-acting remedy!  I want to do what is right, so will not dose anything else for now. Thank you very much.

D: Alright we need to work through this systematically.
First thing I would suggest is to repeat the Rhus-tox each day for one week,Elaine comments: with all due respect to David, who has done a wonderful job here as always, I would not have prescribed Rhus tox once a day for the simple reason that we know the single dose on an as-needed basis works!  Why would we not stick with what’s working?  By giving it every day we are certainly asking for trouble.  to see if this makes any further improvements. Make sure you are hitting the bottle 3 times before each dose.
The next step, assuming that this does not further improve her, would be to obtain Rhus-tox 200c and give her a single dose. Don’t do this until you make a report of her progress here.
Then we can make further decisions based on her response.

R: Don’t know if I can take of week of this! Two days of the one dose per day rhus: itching is worse. Elaine comments:  See?  There’s the aggravation!  I would have done the aggravation zapper in the 12th cup at this point. The scratching/chewing episodes are much more frequent and more violent, with little bumps coming back on her legs. I’m afraid she’ll chew/scratch her skin open.

D: This is aggravation. Stop immediately! Did this occur after one dose or two?

R: Still waiting for the psorinum to arrive, should be today or tomorrow.
Lena’s itching has improved somewhat. Her itching is not constant and the bouts are shorter, but intense. She seems especially itchy on her face now and also her front legs. The itching is still worse upon waking. Elaine comments: The aggravation is wearing off.  It is therefore incumbent upon us to wait and do nothing.

D: So she is slowly improving? That is interesting, and that is since the last aggravation on Rhus-tox 30 isn’t it?

R: Yes, some improvement since the rhus-tox, but still itching.

D: Do you want to try one more dose of Rhus-t 30 before we move to a new remedy? Elaine comments:  No!  The aggravation is in the process of wearing off!  Dosing now will only aggravate more OR antidote Rhus tox altogether, and it’s possible that we won’t be able to distinguish one from the other.

R: I gave Lena the one dose yesterday morning. Before the dose, she was itching a little more than she had been for a few days. After the dose, no immediate reaction.
No improvement as of today. She is somewhat more itchy it seems. Elaine comments:  So, another aggravation.

D: Just wait for one more day, if no improvement repeat the dose again.  Elaine comments:  No, don’t repeat when there’s an aggravation in process.  The aggravation zapper in the 12th cup could have been done here.

R: I waited a day, no improvement, so repeated the dose. She seems worse Elaine comments: Yes, an aggravation as one would expect.… more scratching all over and chewing at her feet.

D: Alright don’t use Rhus-tox again. Wait to see what happens. Let me know if the Psorinum arrives. Elaine comments: So before waiting for the Rhus tox aggravation to resolve into a possible amelioration, Psorinum was begun.  It is clear to me that with better case management of Rhus tox, the case may have moved forward to a cure.  But it is clear to me that the results we saw with Rhus tox when it wasn’t aggravating, were the results you want to see from a correctly prescribed remedy.  We have two options here:  We can start over again with Rhus tox in a 6C potency in water (3 succussions before each dose), with a tentative dosing schedule of three times a day to be adjusted as per the dog’s reaction, or, we can give what looks to be the dog’s constitutional remedy–Staphysagria 30C, one dose.  Since I don’t know which is the better choice, I would say just pick one.  If that one doesn’t work, go to the other.  Why not buy both remedies; I think my vote would be for starting with Rhus tox since the itching is where the suffering is in the case and I don’t know for sure that Staph. will address that.

I just want to say that the idea for Phos. was a good one, I thought of Phos. too; but I have to add that my original thought was for Rhus tox as well.

 

May 28, 2014
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Thanks for reviewing all our info, Elaine.  When I first started, I was just giving the remedies per the instructions on the Boiron vials — which  say 4-5 pellets, 3 doses per day! But by the time I was giving the rhus, David had told me how to do the water dose.  I will get the rhus 6C to try again and will report back.  Lena has had a pretty good day or so, still itching intensely at times, but with lots of time spent sleeping.  She got rained on this morning during our walk, which gave her a good wash, and her bad smell hasn’t come back yet.  (I have been giving her a nutritional supplement (Dinovite)which may be helping somewhat.)

How did you determine staph to be her constitutional remedy?  The Phosphorus seemed to fit her better…

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Thanks for reviewing all our info, Elaine.  When I first started, I was just giving the remedies per the instructions on the Boiron vials — which  say 4-5 pellets, 3 doses per day! Figure it this way, Rebecca, Boiron wants to make sales!  They can’t make sales if one vial lasts a lifetime because people are putting 2 pellets in a bottle of water!  So naturally, their “instructions” tend to benefit THEM.  4-5 pellets?  Quite excessive.  Three times a day?  Well, that will empty out a vial in short order!  But by the time I was giving the rhus, David had told me how to do the water dose.  I will get the rhus 6C to try again and will report back.  Lena has had a pretty good day or so, still itching intensely at times, but with lots of time spent sleeping.  She got rained on this morning during our walk, which gave her a good wash, and her bad smell hasn’t come back yet.  (I have been giving her a nutritional supplement (Dinovite)which may be helping somewhat.) If you think she may be improving based on previous remedies, you can choose to do nothing and wait. 

How did you determine staph to be her constitutional remedy?  The Phosphorus seemed to fit her better… I also thought of Phosphorus.  But your story about Lena: 1. Being submissive   2. Wanting to please   3.  Wanting to be friends with other dogs who don’t necessarily like her, like the one that attacked her.  What does that remind you of?  Abusive relationships?  Staphysagria’s our main remedy for that!  The abused wife who thinks if she just tries harder to please her husband, he will be nice to her?  That’s Staphysagria!

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I want to try the rhus again to see if there will be additional improvement on the itching. Plus she still has the fur loss problem, with a couple of big bald spots. I will watch carefully for any aggravation and back off if that happens.

Yes, I see what you mean about Lena’s actions being like an abusive relationship. Would giving her that as a constitutional help to correct that behavior? Can a constitutional remedy be given at the same time as the other remedy? Thanks.

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Yes, I see what you mean about Lena’s actions being like an abusive relationship. Would giving her that as a constitutional help to correct that behavior? Yes, it should correct that behavior. Can a constitutional remedy be given at the same time as the other remedy? I wouldn’t.  I would wait, it will just confuse us to have two things going at once. Thanks.

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After a week of not scratching so much, this week Lena has gotten worse again and the bad smell has returned. I have not given the rhus on a regular schedule. I gave on an “as needed” basis, basically a dose in the morning when she was really itchy. But now, Lena is itching almost constantly again. Should I start a regular dose, or leave her off it totally to see if she improves on her own?

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Rebecca, three times a day, in water, three succussions before each dose, as she gets better, give less and less often–it’s a balancing act; don’t let her keep bottoming out, try to keep the case moving; an aggravation means stop and wait.  Remember it’s a balancing act and you have to use your judgement.  At some point 6C won’t be strong enough and you may have to plus to 8 or 9C.  Plussing instructions are in my FAQ article “Homeopathy: Frequently Asked Questions, 6th ed. Organon Answers”.  So what we’ve seen here is, Rhus tox really was the right remedy all along.

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Thanks, Elaine.

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Update on my itchy dog…

I would like to report that she is no longer itchy. I would like to, but I cannot.  I have been able to control her itchiness somewhat by dosing with the rhus tox.  I would give her 2/3 doses per day for 3-4 days, then when she gets better, stop. The itching never went away, just got a little better. I have plussed, and am now up to 12 from the original 6c. I am currently on the 5th day of dosing after she became very itchy last week.  She rests then wakes up to an intense scratching session. She has often scratched hard enough to bring blood.

Other symptoms, the loss of fur and the bad odor have not improved. Her skin is rough and dirty looking, and she has a few bumps here and there.

Another note: during one of the periods not on the rhus, I gave her one dose of staphysagria 30. On our walk after that, she was much less submissive to the other dogs and did not crawl up to them on her belly!

In general, she is a happy, gentle dog.

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 Mmm not sure but with chewing/itching, vaccination, alopecia it seems like Staphisagria. i would go with 12 c with minimal doses and less than 3 repetition with 2/3 succussions. Mmm not sure but with chewing/itching, vaccination, alopecia it seems like Staphisagria. i would go with 12 c with minimal doses and less than 3 repetition with 2/3 succussions.
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Hello all.

I was never able to help Lena’s itching improve any more. She itches every day for several minutes at a time, rests, wakes, then starts again.

But significant new note — I have been on a road trip for a few days. All day while in the car, Lena does not scratch at all. Then whenver we get inside somewhere, she starts scratching. While riding, she seems almost like she’s drugged, just sits there with eyes half closed, but mostly won’t lie down and sleep. BUT she’s not scratching.

I believe she has a bad yeast problem, which I know causes itching. She has the bad odor, bad breath, and brown gunk in her ears.  Her fur is still very thin, with some bare spots. 

She’s still on the cooked chicken/turkey/vegetables as her food, with raw bones to chew on.

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Hi Rebecca,

Sorry Lena is still struggling with this.  Can I make a few suggestions that most h-paths will argue with?  It sounds like she might be allergic to something in your house.  Have you looked at blankets (cotton/poly, etc), smells, etc.  If she’s fine away from the house the first thing we’d look for in naturopathy land is a substance or item that she’s allergic to IN the house.  You might really start doing some experimenting with this.  Remove blankets, pillows, etc.  Anything that she could possibly react to. 

The second thing is have you tried bathing her in a bathtub with sulfur, rhus tox, calendula, and silica on a daily basis?  We have done this before with multiple remedies and it has worked.  You can use a spray bottle of the remedies and just spray the hair/skin in between daily bath times if the bathing gives her relief.  Then we’d bathe a second time the same day (at night) with 10 drops of lavendar oil in bath water.  I realize this is contradictory to “constitutional” prescribing but what I have found in treating our animals is that we almost always have better success using multiple remedies and multiple modalities.  And while most h-paths will tell you oils will antidote remedies – we have never had that happen here and neither have any of my friends that use both (and most of them do).  Also, have you considered giving her Lugol’s iodine?  You can put a couple of drops in one of those capsule dog treats and give it to her.  I HIGHLY recommend this!!  Lugols is anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-viral, etc.  It is VERY good for both people and animals in high doses (I know, everyone will scream it’s bad in high doses.  Read Dr. Brownstein and Lynne Farrow). 

Our dog currently has tumors.  We tried phos at first and while she obviously felt well, we were getting nowhere with the tumors.  We switched to using phos as a remedy, sacred frankincense oil for the tumors and lugols for her overall health (as well as the tumors).  She is doing well and the tumors are shrinking VERY slowly.  I really think Lena would do well on Lugols.  It can and will cause detox so you may see an increase in her symptoms getting worse initially.  Just treat her symptomatically for that.

As for feeding – we raw feed our dog.  I would recommend reading up on raw feeding vs. cooked feeding.  She may do a lot better on a raw meat diet instead of cooked. 

Wishing you well.  Sorry it’s been such a hard road.  I feel your pain though as we are there with our dog as well right now. 

 

Patti

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Hello Patti,

Thanks for your ideas. If it is an allergic reaction, it is not just our house. We were on the road for a few days and all day in the car, she was fine, then as soon as we stopped at a motel, she started scratching. In the car, she was sitting on her usual blanket from home. So it’s a real mystery as to what the allergen may be.

She does have the yeast overgrowth,  I am sure. Do you know of a remedy for that?

I had been giving her iodine in her water, but not Lugol’s. Bathing in general does not soothe her, but perhaps bathing in the remedies would.

Regarding raw feeding, I am not against it. We raw fed a previous dog and she did well on it. I do have to buy the cheapest things I can get, so she is probably getting too many antibiotics via the factory raised poultry or beef. Do you add any vegetables or just give the meat?

I sure hope your dog can continue to get better. It is a hard road as you said. Give your pups a hug from me and Lena.

R

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Hi Rebecca,

Okay, I thought she was just reacting at your house.  It makes me wonder if there could be a psychological component?  IIRC you got her when she was older, right?  Had she been abused in some way?  Locked in a house all the time?  Etc.?  It does make one wonder. 

You need to use Lugols iodine.  It is MG vs. MCG’s.  Micrograms is not enough.  I would start with 2 drops per day.  It can cause detox so you’ll want to do the bathing in remedies also as a soother.  But the stuff is AMAZING.  I’m taking 162.5mg right now and feel better then I ever have.  I would mix the 2 drops with a little bit of water and use an eye dropper to put it directly into her mouth (you must dilute it with just a tiny bit of water).  I wouldn’t mix it with a bowl full of water because you need her to get the full two drops at once.  Or the dog treats work.  Just so she gets it daily, and in the AM b/c it will wake her up. 

We actually raw feed our dogs the cheapest meat we can find b/c it’s not cheap raw feeding.  We feed our family (3 growing teenagers) 95% organic.  So the dogs get raw, but it’s the cheap stuff.  I started out in a raw feeding group and they said it really didn’t matter.  We’ve never had any issues with it.  I do make sure we only buy meat from the meat section and not processed/pre-bagged type of stuff.  I find that anything they’ve added “% of solution to” tends to be a problem for our animals.  In my mind, raw is better then cooked is better then commercial.  So no matter what, she’s better off raw. 

Try the bathing in remedies.  You can also add lavendar EO to a water bottle and spray with that and it will stop the itching really quickly.  It’s very soothing and healing.  Thus far, we’ve had good success using these methods to treat our animals.  Even our chickens!  LOL  Between the remedy baths, EO and iodine you may have better success.

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No, we got her when she was a puppy, about 10-12 weeks old. She had been dumped out with a sibling and a groomer took them in. Unfortunately, the groomer gave her a vaccine at about 8-9 weeks. I’ve thought of the psychological aspect. Our previous dog had just died from a snakebite about 2 weeks before we got Lena. My husband was so brokenhearted, he got Lena quickly. So perhaps being dumped affected her, plus she senses something about the other dog.

How do you mix the remedies for bathing? I have used lavendar for myself, will try for Lena, and will try the Lugol’s. After my current batch of homemade dog food, I think I’ll ty just the raw. You didn’t mention, do you add vegetables?

 

Thanks again.

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I just add 5-6 pellets (depending on size – smaller I add a few more) in warm but not hot bath water all at once.  I mix the water with my hand when they are dissolved.  I just dump all 3 in at once.  Once they are dissolved we put the dog in and use a cup to pour the water over him/her.  Use a wash rag wet with the remedy water for the face.  Do a good soaking.  It’s a lot to bathe daily like this, but if you see her improving, it will be worth it.  Also the lavendar water in a spray bottle can be very very healing. 

We don’t do any veggies for our animals.  Just raw meat.  My vet said she loves to see our dogs because they are very healthy, happy, etc. and she is totally for the raw meat. 

One last thought.  Was it the rabies vaccine they gave lena?  You could order the nosode from Remedia and give her a dose of it.  If it were me, and I could do that, I would do it.  We just gave the Hep. B vax remedy to my DD today and the effects in less then 12hrs have been dramatic.  It might be worth the $20+ to do it.  http://www.remedia-homeopathy……00584.html

I would suggest giving her one dose of the 30C and seeing what happens.

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It wasn’t the rabies vaccine, it was the combo puppy shot — parvo/distemper/corona etc. 

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Hi Rebecca,

You could still order those from Remedia.  I think it’s worth it.  If that is where her issues started, it’s worth trying.  We are currently giving two of our kids vaccine remedies to try and fix damage done by them.  Each of our kids had damage from a different vax.  Lena would be similar.  In particular I would look at the parvo and distemper.  Can you find out all of what was in the shot she was given?  Dosing is with a 30C given once per week until you no longer see a response to the remedy.   The remedy protocol I gave you above came from one of my  h-pathy books for dogs and cats.  So I would still encourage you to do that as well and see how far you can get.

Patti

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